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middle income people. >> great to have both of you was tonight. thanks so much. >>> up next, karl rove makes his return to fox news airwaves. we'll show you his big idea for the fiscal cliff. >>> welcome back. we love hearing from you viewers from twitter and facebook. many of you are responding to the passage of the so-called right to work law in michigan. the republican controlled house in that state backed by a republican governor. michael calls it, right-to-work, a slick law that goes against the wishes of michigan workers and got squeezed through by radical party. marge says, it won't be a republican controlled house for long. the unions will fight back just like in illinois and wisconsin. and bob predicts rick schneider is going to be a one-term governor. >>> coming up, dick cheney criticizes the president's handling of the wars he helped start. colonel lawrence wilkerson is here to respond. >>> welcome back. 27 days after karl rove made a fool of himself on fox, bush's brain is back in action. rove and dick morris were benched by fox brass after being completely wrong about the
boesky tells us what republicans really have up their sleeves. karl rove is back. the man who wasted millions of dollars on the electrical is now predicting a fiscal close outcome. >>> dick cheney has once again reared his head to attack president obama's foreign-policy. lawrence wilkerson will show us how what the former vice president still isn't shooting straight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. michigan became the 24 states in the union to past so-called right to work legislation, a major birthplace of the labor moment became the latest target of the right wing. big money interest infiltrating statehouses across this nation. this is what is happening. it's time to pay attention. thousands of protesters jammed the capital in lansing, michigan, as the lame duck session passed the right to work bill. demonstrators made their passions known. >> right to work is wrong! right to work is wrong! right to work is wrong! right to work is wrong! >> these protesters are well informed and understand exactly what is happening in their state today. >> they want to be able to
about this? word is out that fox news has sidelined karl rove and dick morris. maybe because those gas bags got everything wrong anyhow. good morning, everybody. happy wednesday. it is wednesday, december 5, 2012. great to see you today. welcome to the only progressive morning show anywhere, the full court press, coming to you live from our studios on capitol hill here in washington, d.c. great to see you today. thanks for being part of the program. you can really be part of the program if you jump into the conversation the purpose of the "full court press" is not what it's all about, not just to tell you what's going on here around the country and around the globe. there is lots to talk about, but to get you involved in the conversation, give you a chance to sound off early this morning on the topics of the day. of course, you do so by giving us a call a lot 866-55-press, our toll-free number. we will pay for the call. just hear what you have to say. you can follow us on twitter at bp show on face book dog, facebook.com/bill press show and your chanc
long that it's very hard to imagine an electoral future. >> it's worse than that. you guys, carl rove and your buddies. remember carl rove? eight years ago, you went up to ohio and up to cleveland and you basically went to the black ministers and who was that guy? the boxing promoter. you guys went out and you rallied all of them. we've got to fight that gay marriage thing and you used that to destroy john kerry. >> in '04, that was an exploding cigar. and we're paying the price for that. there were -- >> did you fight? >> thank you for your service. we paid for it in the '08 cycle when we weren't running on it. we certainly weren't running on it in 2012. we have been paying for it in spades since '04. the platform document was an anchor around the neck. >> okay. this country has never gone through a faster transition in thinking. and i'm part of it. all right? the public attitudes shifted dramatically in just a short period of time. i think you're going to be astounded by this. in 1996, not a million years ago, only 27% of the country supported same-sex marriage. just about a quarter
that -- rove and bush understood that constituency was critical for them. he said our ideas carried the day. they didn't carry election night. >> i think voters are very aware what the issues were and what side both sides took. speaking last night at a gala, senator-elect ted cruz, a real hero of the tea party from texas, gave a postmortem on the election. he said, do you want to know why barack obama won 70% of the vote? tone on immigration contributed, but i think far more important was 47%. republicans nationally, the story they conveyed was that the 47% are stuck in a static world, we don't have to worry about you. >> i think part of it is we did let the other side define us -- >> was it the thinking about looking down on people or was it the words? >> i think what happened was early on the obama people did a good job with the perception mitt romney was george bailey, he was mr. potter. and then we said narratives that -- >> lionel barrymore. >> we can't do that as a party. as a party we have to let everybody know we're fighting for them, understand their lives, and, frankly, we failed
. not this time! mr. president, as i told him last night hold the line! when we come back, karl rove and dick morris, are you going to miss them? michael calderone from "huffington post" will tell us what that's all about. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. i want our viewer to understand why things have happened. at the end of the show, you know what has happened, why its happened and more importantly, what's going to happen tomorrow. (vo) you've heard bill's views now let's hear yours. >> politically direct means no bs, just tellling you what's going on in politics today. (vo) at the only online forum with a direct line to bill press. current.com/billpress >> announcer: radio meets >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show." >> bill: in the next hour, from talking points memo,est an mcmorris santoro here as a "friend of bill" and our foreign policy guru, bill cirincione will be in studio as well. one big difference after the election on novemb
this fiscal fight is doing, they have now called in karl rove's crossroads gps to make some ads about it calling the president a job killer, and karl rove made his triumphant return to fox news last night. i guess the party is united in amnesia, if nothing else. >> no doubt. out, out, damn spot, or i am more sinned against than sinning, or tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow creeps on its petty tape. take one of those lines from shakespeare and you see what the conundrum is. they portrayed themselves as the defenders of the elite in the name of the middle class, and that shenanigan has been proved to be wrong. the kun in ordnard that they ar putting this forth has been disproven. the wagon is we have to give tax breaks to the rich. there's no other way to present it. there's no other story. we have exhausted the narrative. give it up, fell las. go ahead and join with the american people and let's do something good for the american people. stop this namby-pamby pee-wee herman like approach. i know you are but what am i and try to get on board to figure out what we can do to make the american
the focus is on strategy, right? carl rove is now channelling the spirit of howard dean. let's actually take a listen, because it's not often carl rove praises howard dean, so we should let everybody hear that. >> i hate to say it, but we need to copy what howard dean did, that means make our ground game in all 50 states. >> the problem is you're going to have to have some kind of proposal in terms of appealing to voters in arizona or in north carolina if you're going to try to change your margins in those states, sam. thus far, i think the recommendations from party elders have been purely strategy. 50-state strategy talking about shrinking the length of the primary calendar, moving the convention up. is that how you set the gop on a course to right itself for 2016? >> probably not. i mean, it's tactical and superficial fixes, obviously. one of the things that worked for howard dean, keep in mind, not that he had two or three staffers in mississippi, because that wasn't going to change the contrast of the races there for the democratic party. it was that he had obama, a candidate who had a
and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republican party into total disarray. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> congressman jim clyburn of south carolina and eugene robinson on the latest republican fiasco. >>> plus, congressman chris van hollen on john boehner's latest concession on the fiscal cliff. michael eric dyson and donna genteel-o'donnell on the political fallout. howard dean on chris christie's big decision on the obama care exchange. and apple's ceo breaks big news to nbc's brian williams. >> next year, we will do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. >> tonight, a story of economic patriotism in an era of bain capital with e.j. dionne. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the reality start to set in on members of the republican party. republican senator jim demint of south carolina is leaving kplil capitol hill to become president of the heritage foundation. don't cry for demint. the out-going president of the heritage fo
. i'm sorry to interrupt. it's worse than that. >> all right. >> you guys, karl rove and your buddies, remember karl rove. eight years ago you went up to ohio and cleveland in the black areas and basically went to the black ministers up there, karl rove and who was that guy, the boxing promoter, and you guys -- don king, and you rallied all them, we have to fight this gay marriage thing and you used that to destroy john kerry in ohio and cost him the electoral college. >> that was an exploding cigar and we're paying -- >> where were you then? did you fight -- >> i was fighting in iraq. i was deployed in iraq so i was -- >> touche you win. thank you for your service. thank you for your service. it's a very good alibi. >> but we paid for it in the '08 cycle when we weren't running on it. we certainly weren't running on it in 2012. we have been trying to run away from this issue and we have been paying for it in spades since '04. as you said earlier, the platform document -- >> this country has never gone through a faster transition in thinking and i'm part of it, all right. everybody is
in terms of getting the economy back on track. >> that is the potential next stance. carl rove karl rove is going to stay in this game. he's got five different radio ads, each putting pressure on specific senators in those states to reach what cross rows calls a balanced solution to the nation's debt. this one is airing in north carolina. take a listen. >> balanced, comprehensive and good for our economy, not like president obama's one sided plan. both parties helped create the mess in washington. both parties should work together to clean it up. >> both parties created the mess, both sides should clean it up. is this the more conservatives among the gop getting ready to put the blame on democrats if the deal doesn't get done? >> well, yes, that would be one way to put it. i'm interested that karl rove says that the republicans seem to have a balanced plan. actually president obama is putting -- has been putting forward a balanced plan, spending and revenue increases for a long time. he's also done something very smart, which is put the republican tons defensive, unlike the beginning in
to karl rove. he has thoughts on hillary clinton running for president four years from now. later, barbara walters and dennis miller on president obama dennis miller on president obama and we are coming right back i've been taking a multivitamin for years. centrum silver. both of us actually. our pharmacist recommended it. and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? they used centrum silver in the study. makes me feel even better, that's what i take. sorry, we take. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your most complete. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ >> bill: in the impact segment,
able to connect the karl rove moment -- infamous karl rove moment of denial to romney's campaign's decision not to concede. there is an unknown character here that caused all sorts of delays. tell me about it. >> there was basically for over an hour a pause in the romney campaign's high command in boston -- >> because they were about to concede. right? they were all ready to go. >> political junkies out there who go to amazon and get this book will love the opening scene. we have the suite in boston at the westin on the 16th floor. and the chicago suite where the president is. sort of back and forth on election night what's going on. romney was ready to concede at 11:15. ten minutes later karl rove is on fox news saying hold on, you're calling ohio too soon. what we found out, chuck, is that both carl at the fox studio in new york but also the romney campaign in boston was talking to the same person, scott jennings, who is romney's ohio campaign director who was hold up at a hotel in columbus. he was hitting refresh on the state and county board of elections websites. he sees two
morris or karl rove. you cannot just put them on any more because they were so wrong and so off on the elections. that's what politico is reporting, that this is how fox is changing things. no more karl rove and no more dick morris without a note from teacher. >> cenk: that's interesting. that was your movement to fire dick morris. >> yeah, i had a hash tag to fire dick morris. >> cenk: and you know what, we're going to make sure that he's off the air. >> if i had only taped it. they called and i forgot to push record. >> cenk: i'm jumping around here but. another interesting note, ann wintour, i don't know how to pronounce it. >> you did a nice job. >> cenk: might become ambassador to england or france. lizz, let me go back to you on this one. >> it's chic and fashion. >> cenk: yes, i didn't have to go to jayar. >> this one, i'm also kind of with you on this. i'm not a big get my fall vogue person but i did see "devil wears prada" which i believe was based on her insane anti- anti-diplomacy apparently you can be the biggest creton in the business. >> cenk: lizz makes a great po
. adelson is to republicans now that we're watching the implosion of gop stalwarts like karl rove and freedom works, both of which you have reported on. >> extremely important to the republican party, as are ee emerging class of mega donors. who were spurred into giving large amounts of money, which led to the super pacs. you look no further than the week after the presidentiamç election, the governor's association was in town, in las vegas, and as we reported, three governors who are contemplating their own runs in 2016 made a trip from the wynn casino and hotel, a strong rival of sheldon adelson's sands corporation, over to the venetian, adelson's flagship, to meet with sheldon adelson. we don't know what they talked about, but bobby engine dal, john casic, and really high up on the short list of procespecte 2016ers. after the meeting we heard sheldon adelson expressed to confidantes he was favoring for 2016, a candidate with executive experience. all those guys fit the bill. incidentally, they were also visiting with him. >> great. professor, in this wall street journal articl
is thinking. >> any word from karl rove? >> he's been telling you it's over. romney lost. >> dammit, i gets it's time i explain to these good people about the fiscal cliff. think of the economy as the car and the rich man as the driver. if you don't give the driver all the money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it's just commonsense. >> finally someone on the right willing to tell the truth. but here's the thing. this time it doesn't matter if mr. burns, speaker boehner, or the tea party try to hold the american people hostage just to get what they want. the president isn't going to budge. >> so i want to sq thank you both for coming on the show tonight. congresswoman, let me start with you. is the gop serious about holding the economy hostage again just to get what they want? >> well, think about the cards that they are holding. they are in favor of tax cuts for the rich. they want to cut tax care programs and medicare and make seniors pay and threaten the economy of the united states of america by defaulting on payments or at least to threaten that. this is not a very popular position among th
boehner. >>> plus, karl rove hasn't learned a thing is since its infamous air meltdown. why is he questioning polls again? >>> and a very special guest is here with me tonight. we have a gold medal winner onset. gabby douglas live in the studio. her story of sacrifice inspired a country. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor. predictive intelligence with google now complete. introducing droid dna by htc. it's not an upgrade to your phone. it's an upgrade to yourself. >>> have you joined the "politicsnation" conversation on facebook yet? we hope you will. today our fans were buzzing over the newly released photo of the president on the phone with mitt romney as he conceded to him on election night. he have len says, the president was probably so glad it was over so that he could get back to working for our country. david says, he must have been elated and relieved. linda says, i know how he felt. so happy. we want to hear your thoughts on this picture. and any other story you are interested
with spending cuts. in a moment with put karl rove and joe trippi in the negotiating room. but first we have a report or # 2 days, or as we will explain later, less to go. >> president obama back on the road 24. hours after the hush-hush meeting with john boehner about the fiscal cliff. insiders in both parties say the first face-to-face solo meeting in over a year is a sign in private they are making progress but in public the president is not budging. >> i'm in the going to compromise on that principle because i won't have a situation where the wealthiest among us including folks like me keep the tax breaks and we ask the students to pay higher student loans. >> he decided to fire up the labor union base. about a republican pushbe for right to work laws in the state. >> what we shouldn't do, what we shouldn't doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the employees cheered when the president took aim at the republican governor and legislature. >> we are talking about giving you the right to work for less money. >> the president called if union dispute a
there is every reason to believe it will keep losing elections mpl here's what karl rove believes the republican party needs to change. >> i hate to say but we need to copy what howard dean did. make our ground game in all 50 states. >> joining me now, the man behind the former 50 states strategy, howard dean. governor dean, did you ever think there was a time when karl rove would say we need to be more like howard dean? >> i did not. it comes as a large surprise to me as well. look, it is true that the obama ground game is the best i ever saw it. it was unbelievable. and the republicans have a lot of work to do. they're way behind. that ground game is not enough to win. the fact of the matter is you can nod peddle hate of immigrants, gays, lesbians and women by saying god's will is to make women pregnant when you're raped. if that's what you believe, if that's what conservative principles are, you may as well go some place else. we're done. the argument is over. and these guys have to change their philosophy, not just their ground game. >> governor, according to reince priebus, the growth and o
've been talking about the president's advantage right now. so, karl rove was not about to sit on the sidelines. his crossroads gps is running a spot today criticizing the president over his handling of the fiscal cliff. let me take a look at that. >> no real reform. instead spending taxes. we neat bipartisan ideas we can all support. >> dana, is any of that going to make a difference or maybe a broader point is how much are outside groups generally, whether it's on the hill or on tv influencing this debate? >> if it works as well as karl rove's effort during the campaign, i think the president is going to ask him to run more of those ads because it didn't work out so well for him the last time. this is a little different from a political campaign in that spending by interest groups is probably not going to be big enough to crowd out all of this noise that's being made here. i think that interview you just had with tom price was extraordinary for what he didn't say. he didn't say i won't allow taxes to increase. he said it depends on what the overall package is. that's an extra
illegals. he did everything he could to make sure that that constituency which rove and bush understood that was critical to republicans winning the presidency wouldn't be there. the most critical thing he wrote was, our ideas carried the day. they didn't carry election night. that's what counts. >> i think voters are very aware what the issues were and what side both sides took. speaking last night at a gala, senator-elect ted cruz, a real hero of the tea party from texas, gave a postmortem on the election. he said, do you want to know why barack obama won 70% of the vote? tone on immigration contributed, but i think far more important was 47%. republicans nationally, the story they conveyed was that the 47% are stuck in a static world, we don't have to worry about you. i cannot think of an idea more antithetical to this country's principles. >> did he mean the 47 thinking or the fact that david corn and mother jones got that out that he had said that out down there. >> part of it was -- >> was it the thinking or the words. >> early on, the obama people did a good job with the percepti
, indeed. one story people are talking about, he's back. he's back. we reported that karl rove and dick morris had been benched at fox news. >> bill: that didn't take long, did it? >> yesterday karl rove turned up again on special report with bret baier. so all of these reports about him being benched may or may not be true. >> bill: what was it? a week? yeah maybe. >> wasn't that long. >> bill: i guess dick morris will be back on sean hannity tonight. >> god help us if he does show back up but yeah. clearly taking them off the bench. >> bill: as long as you're willing to bash barack obama you'll have a home on fox. no doubt about it. so amanda, this is -- this is not going to end. even if rick schneider signs this bill today. >> no. >> bill: this is going to be an on-going battle. >> it will keep going. you will see attempts to repeal the bill. whether passing new legislation attempts perhaps to recall the legislators who voted for it. there will be the elections in 2014. i think it has woken labo
with this plant in janesville. >> uh-huh. >> but it was very gratified to see karl rove thrown off of the balcony, oh that was a saturday night sketch. >> stephanie: yes. we'll have to leave it there. >> i have to leave it there. >> stephanie: right. the main stream jacki's old buddy wolf. >> that's right. >> stephanie: we have to leave it there before the liberal gets a chance to refute. >> we have to leave it there! >> although paul was always good about not letting wolf shut him down. >> stephanie: yeah. i can't recall a campaign i have seen more lying going on and it wasn't semietric. almost every ad had lies in it. mitt romney in particular weren't limited to the tv ads either. he willfully disregarded the truth. remember the republicans complained about this report and they just issued it and it says the same thing. blah blah blah. it was the great unreported big story of this last election cycle. they say it's hard to exaggerate just how popular mann and ornstein were with the press before they started talking about this. he said it's awkward, i can't be a s
money. i hate you. $40 million went to karl rove's cross roads which only had a 4% success rate. >> a lot of holes in the dessert. some of them got batties in them. >> stephanie: if karl rove were to get hit by a bag, if he steps on a bag of vipers we might know where to look. shortly thereafter there will be a giant cartoon hand knocking on mr. mr. adelson's door. >> vipers everywhere you look. >> stephanie: okay. we're just kidding. >> [ inaudible ] is lousy with vipers. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: okay. allison also -- >> that shakespeare statue vipers. >> stephanie: pure vipers. >> that statue of [ inaudible ]. made up of pure broken glass. >> broken glass. >> [ inaudible ] made of broken glass. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: adelson doled out $15 million to the coach brothers $6.5 million to the jewish coalition. he said he had been motivated to act because he felt vilified by the obama administration after his businesses were investigated. he is being unfairly prosecuted for bribing and money laundering. >> yes. hum. in most places that is considered a crime
unpopular and rich ceo. >> any word from karl rove. >> despite what he's been telling you, it's over. romney lost. >> damn it. i guess it's time i explained to these good people the upcoming fiscal cliff. think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it's just common sense. furthermore, rich people feel things more deeply than the common man. >> well, the rich are hardly the only ones to suffer from a fiscal cliff. did you see the book? nate silver "can't add" and some binders full of women. >>> alan simpson has joined forces with can kicks back, trying to get young people to recruit their friends and use social media to encourage congress to come to a deficit reduction deal. there's alan simpson doing his part with a homage to internet sensation gangnam style. >> stop instagraming your breakfast and tweeting your first world problems and getting on youtube so you can get gangnam style. ♪ gangnam style >> and start using those social media skills to go out and sign people up on this baby, take part or get tak
work stream. more out of touch of where the american people are. governor, carl rove was with bill o'riley. watch this. >> i think what the speaker is trying to get across is at this point, the republicans are pretty much in disarray. they can't compete with the organized democratic machine. that's why romney lost. >> they are in disarray. they doept have a clue of what to do. they're not in any way consistent with what they want. they want taxes raised on the rich. it spurred 23.5 million new jobs in six years. americans get that stuff. they've got to be voiced and sustained. by the way, all of this is political calculation. crystal is right. they're worried about the primary. good lord, have some guts and do what's right for america. president obama has put a 45-page plan out, 27 pages of spending cuts in his plan. now, is that not enough for republicans? negotiate that. >> now, a new analysis was put out, crystal, by gop strategist with heirs is getting some attention. it describes the gop as a regional party with few national pros pekts. and it says republicans have run out of pe
" the six, dennis miller, sarah palin. bill o'reilly. we had karl rove. very quickly, favorite? >> kimberly: dennis miller. >> eric: miller? they're in my ear. we are going to toss this to doug mckelway who is sitting in "special report" for bret baier. doug, take it away, sir. >> doug: i am doug mckelway in for bret baier on "special report." president obama is going to address the nation. the question is whether the talks pushed them apart or got them closer to a deal with three days away from fiscal cliff. ed henry standing by in the briefing room. what are you hearing? >> senior white house official says the president told the republican leaders he wants up or down vote on the scaled back plan. he said that then the senate leaders jumped in and said they think they can get a bipartisan plan. the president told senators reid and mcconnell, i'm told they have a day or two to getting a deal done. otherwise we're out of time. he wants an up or down vote or the plan. at that point, john boehner was noncommittal and not say if he would bring it up for a vote. said wait until we cross the brid
would never end then thankfully it finally did. faster than karl rove could say cuyahoga county, fftdz over before the mail-in votes were counted. another way to phrase the question, beyond having a winner, do elections have results? democrats were quick to claim a mandate for the president but republicans as evidenced by their stance on the fiscal cliff, don't seem to agree. here to help sort it out is political reporter joe williams and chief economic correspondent for politico, ben white. thank you both for joining us. joe, let me begin with notion that this sort of theological hard right loss this election whether it was immigration, the reality that marginal tax rates will go up on the wealthy, the debate about same-sex marriage, do they now need to recast their whole ideology in the context of that result? >> if they do, they're not doing a very good job of it. basically, the biggest change we've seen are in the faces. not necessarily in the rhetoric. we have marco rubio emerges as the front-runner for g.o.p.
or january or february, so get ready. >> must have hired the same people as karl rove. >> i get that, thank you scrape and what is next, i'll talk to some people who are preparing for another doomsday scenario, global economic collapse. and aside from the fiscal cliff, the battle in washington could hit you, the price of milk, higher. we'll explain.
of the vote. >> we won't forget carl roves epic on-air melt down. i guess that's what happens when you blow $300 million trying to winn win an election. the republicans money machine, 2012 was simply the year the rich couldn't buy. and it was a year full of wins, none bigger than this. >> the bottom line here is the supreme court has upheld the health care case. >> well, we have a health care law in tact. >> obama care unheld. a day to remember. and on issue after issue, progressives fought back. after 32 straight defeats at the ballot box, marriage equality won in reign. won in maryland, won in washington. 2012 was the year we waved good-bye to some tea party radicals. allen west, joe walsh and richard murdauch was sent packing. >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> as a country, we stood up for women and women's rights. a record 20 women were sent to the senate, including this one. >> wall street krerceos, the sa ones who wrecked our economy and destroyed millions of jobs, still strut around congress, no shame, demanding favors and
the outset of his second term? >> well, you know, there's good news for the republicans, martin. karl rove's group, crossroads gps is going to spend some money for some ads, and we know that's a successful strategy in convincing the american people. >> that's good news. >> i can't pass that chance up to do that. >> i understand. >> i think part of what's so important about the polling, we talked about this on monday and the quinnipiac polling you were showing, the republicans have had time to make their arguments and it's not working. more people are moving towards siding with the president. they believe it's the president and democrats who are making a legitimate effort. the private has been privately and i think publicly very clear from the beginning that he's no longer going to engage in this debt ceiling hostage taking. again, i think we mostly were focused on the top 2% piece, but he's been very clear, and i thought yesterday he was brilliantly clear with the business round table by talking about what games he was simply not going to engage in. >> karen, there's one point -- the reaso
karl rove and others quoted saying we need to do something on immigration. we should do partial measures. we shouldn't go all the way to amnesty, and i think that they're reacting to a lot of blowback that they've gotten from their base as they've talked about the need to go out and make immigration reform something that they just set off the table. >> that quote is factually wrong. what this person thinks is if we have immigration reform, then you'll have more latinos who can vote. maybe you're changing the time frame, but the fact is because of the 14th amendment, anyone who is born in the united states legally or illegally is a legal citizen. you can vote. you can't stop these people from voting. they're just wrong. >> that's 50,000 hispanics turn 18 years old every month, period. that should be the only thing that is in front of the gop right now. all of this hem and hawing about what we're going to do on immigration, to me, is not the argument that we should be having. i think ed gillespie makes a good point about the strategy. >> michael. >> but having a smart strategy is
economy is roving as a result of the auto industry recovering, and all the work that president obama has done. at a time when our economy is coming back. instead of bringing people together, he is driving a wedge between people. this is energizing people. it's an emotional issue. and i believe that people are going to turn out and make sure that their voices are heard. in fact we expect to see that tomorrow on the grounds of the state capitol when thousands of people have their voice heard. i just hope the people inside the capitol actually listen. >> cindy, who benefits from right-to-work legislation? >> no one benefits from right-to-work legislation. we know, and you said earlier that it means lower wages. it means less jobs. the only ones that think they're going to benefit are outside groups like alec and the koch brothers. they think they're going to break unions, that they're going to break communities so there is more for corporate ceos. what we're going to show them is the opposite. this is going to inspire us and galvanize us. the only way you're going to recreate michigan or an
, barack obama might not be in the white house. you can just ask karl rove. >> they lost 612,000 union members in 2010 alone. now think about it. every one of the 612,000 people had union dues going into the political coffers of their union to spend on politics. so yeah, you keep having couple 100,000 people each year, if a half million people leave the labor movement every year, and pretty soon you start having a crimp in the political budgets of these unions, it has a direct effect on the presidential. >> let's crimp the political budgets throughout, and the way we can do that is pass a right-to-work law that will tell union members that they real hi don't have to pay dues. that way they're not going to pay them, and that way it's going to reduce their resources even more. it's going to shake the foundations of the democrats even more. the koch brothers aring why is is making all the phone calls? who is doing all the social networks stuff. where are they getting money for that? they're getting it from the unions. without labor, democrats lose a solid base in wisconsin, michigan, ohio
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